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And my reply to the LinkedIn comment:

As I wrote, I agree it is healthy for societies to study what works for other societies as inspiration for ideas that could work for us.

Sweden is more collective in their social approach in comparison to the more individualistic USA. The size and homogeneity of Sweden matters because collective societies inherently rely on higher levels of trust to function effectively. This trust is built through shared cultural practices, mutual aid, and consistent social interactions, which reinforce communal bonds and the sense of shared destiny.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3086035

The population differences between the USA and Sweden matter because smaller, more homogenous communities exhibit higher levels of trust compared to larger, less homogenous ones. Smaller communities have a stronger sense of common identity, mutual understanding, a higher level of predictability in interactions. In contrast, larger and more diverse communities don't establish this level of cohesion and mutual understanding as a wider variety of backgrounds, beliefs, and experiences make it harder to develop trust and understanding.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/laibson/files/measuring_trust.pdf

There are no examples I can think of for collective approaches in smaller communities scaling up to work as effectively in larger communities.

Your assertion that citizens of Sweden are more satisfied with their country than in the US is hotly debated. The annual World Happiness Report attempts to rank countries, and for 2023 they rank Sweden 6th with a score of 2.276 vs. the USA 34th with a score of 2.935. We can't interpret these scores to indicate Swedes are 30% happier than Americans. There is a big statistical spread in these ranking, the 95% confidence interval for ranking of Sweden 4th to 13th and for the USA is 18th to 43rd. The authors pick a particular weighting of GDP per Capita, perceived social support, life expectancy, generosity, perceptions of corruption, etc. Pick a different weighting and you get a different result. The fact that Afghanistan is not ranked as the happiest country in the world leads me to question their methodology. Consistent with the impact of size, it is worth noting that by this ranking the USA is the happiest nation over 100 million population.

https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2023/world-happiness-trust-and-social-connections-in-times-of-crisis/#ranking-of-happiness-2020-2022

Measuring happiness by country is a complex task, fraught with difficulties. Happiness is subjective by nature and varies greatly among individuals based on cultural, social, and personal factors. Different cultures have varying interpretations of what constitutes happiness. Standardizing survey methods across diverse populations has proven impractical due to language nuances and differing societal norms leading to varied interpretations of questions and responses. This issue is compounded by the difficulty in capturing all aspects that contribute to happiness, such as emotional well-being, life satisfaction, and fulfillment, in a single metric. All these factors contribute to the complexity and potential inaccuracies in measuring and comparing happiness across countries.

https://anderson-review.ucla.edu/the-unhappy-quest-for-a-happiness-index/

We agree that Sweden has a higher tax rate on a broader spread of their nation than the US and uses those taxes to deliver more health, childcare, and education services to their citizens. This is consistent with their relatively higher collectivist history. My observation has been that US citizens consistently prioritize a more individualistic approach which has led to extraordinary income, growth, and innovation.

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Sharing a response that a friend posted to LinkedIn:

Interesting read Ben, well written.

Some of your comparisons may not support your supposition that “...social models of Sweden are tailored to its unique characteristics, and may not be replicable ... for America.”

Why would the population difference matter? Sweden is ~3% of the US, let’s look at a metro 3% of Chicago: Waco. Would one expect few similarities? Chicago and Waco are the county seat for their respective counties. The form of government is similar: each has a mayor elected to a four-year term, Waco has six council members elected from districts, Chicago has 50 aldermen. Data suggests that governments with an order of magnitude differences in population can still function with a similar form of governance.

Sweden has a higher tax rate than the US. Sweden delivers more services (healthcare, childcare, education, etc.). Citizens of Sweden are more satisfied with their country than in the US. Tax rates don’t tell the story, what you get for the taxes is what matters.

In governmental policy, the sciences, medicine, etc., the engine of capitalism is adapting proven techniques to new problems. Learn what others are doing that is successful for them, understand how we could apply it, and adapt it to make it work for us.

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